that means -- there are uses journalists uses it, the government uses it, there are citizens of states that rely on the deep web to communicate freely and not have their communications intercepted by store tin regimes that could hurt them. i would also just say, that i think it is a basic human right to be anonymous and private. >> and there is an interesting sub culture there, is bit coin an example of that? >> yeah, i wouldn't call him a sub culture, i think bit coin is a very legitimate cyber currency. it is used primarily almost fundamentally for legitimate uses. many many businesses use it just like one would use papal, and it is a more secure form than many other forms. so again, i would be weary of demonizing all of these new technologies just because there are ways of using them for emily sit means. >> certainly is interesting though. bit coin i would think most people have used but there is a very small group of people that use it. and praise it. alex winter joining us tonight, thank you so much. >> coming up next, taking a stand for campus diversity. >> it's evidence that our